The direction of the BMWMCCWA

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The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:12 am

Club Annual General meeting in July.

The “camaraderie “ seems to have disappeared for the majority of members of the BMWMCCWA. There is a regular group of about 20-25 members out of the 180 or so that regularly attend religiously rides and events. These are the regulars that turn up at Catalanos on Sundays, attend monthly meetings and vote for the committee that runs your club and attend events that the committee currently run. This has gone on and hasn’t changed for years. It’s as if these regular events must be incorporated into the clubs makeup and these events must be held at all costs for members. But it’s obvious it is only these regulars along with an occasional drop-in that turns up and supports these events,often only as a feeling they must support the club functions. Such dedication is commendable but it only appeals to a small percentage of club members. There needs to be something more that creates more camaraderie within the club than currently is happening. It is the only BMW motorbike club in WA recognised and supported by the international BMW CLUBS INTERNATIONAL. It has been in existence for over 40 years consisting of members owning these bikes and others that like mixing with owners( seems to be a number of Honda owners). Currently in my opinion the club is very stagnant and under utilised, it has the means and potential to improve to provide an outlet for many more BMW bike owners to enhance their riding and ownership of their bikes.
In order to create a great club again with all members wanting to participate there needs to be some changes in approaching what the majority membership wants.
Amongst other things firstly the club has to cater better for younger owners that have young families. These owners generally with their busy family and work commitments are more interested in riding at a time they can get some time off from their families generally outside club events timings. The club needs to be more flexible with organising events, encouraging smaller groups within the club to organise events and rides that suit members in these situations. I was thinking, having some group rides, small or big groups, off road or touring or over nighters where they can meet up with their families at a destination if it means more flexible event times.The club currently hasn’t encouraged change to effect this happening. To do this requires more use of social media with real time information being easily accessed with the club Facebook page for example .it is quite capable of doing this asa means of better communication for members.
Probably the highlight of being a club member at the moment is the“Sunday Catalano 7.30 breakfast pilgrimage “where the regulars who are usually older members meet up spin some yarns and do participate in some camaraderie but this doesn’t seem to appeal to the majority with younger members rarely seen. (we need these members to want to be part of the club and what we present isn’t doing that) For a ride, a small number of regulars of the Sunday group for their jollies, then end up going on a déjà-Vu “dog day afternoon ride” tar ride, with much of the ride route being repetition and becoming less and less interesting the more times travelled. At the end of the ride when this group gets home there is a write up on the forum of their exploits as some sort of badge of honour for heading off on these rides. I don’t think members that don’t attend would find these forum write ups of old men riding their M/Cs overly inspiring to attend such rides.
We have some members that do ride some challenging rides and people reading this forum would know these guys with their well presented documented photos of their adventures. To my mind these rides are what all BMW bike owners aspire to achieve or at least feel comfortable trying to achieve. As a club we can help owners come to terms with achieving their goals of organising and feeling comfortable about heading off on their bikes on trips. We should utilise the veteran club tourers tar and off-road, to mentor fellow club members on encouraging club members to do it for themselves. The guru trip guys could be organised to present to our memberships at get-togethers with suitable flexible times a evening presentation where members families could come along and I am sure would find the presentations interesting and get to engage in some camaraderie and develop a stronger relationship with the club. It’s all about members feeling comfortable and wanting to participate that makes a club strong.
These are just some thoughts on how I reckon this club could have more membership camaraderie, interest and participation and use the club to enhance their ownership of a BMW motorcycles.
There will be a vote by club members for a new committee at the annual general meeting for a new committee at the meeting in July. I hope we will have a bigger turn up than last year with the same old regulars that don’t want change in their club and that all members will have a say in how their club operates by removing the inflexible current committee that I notice have all renominated. This committee which I was part of until I got tiffed out last year, has been sitting for a number of years and have done the best they could in running the club but don’t show a lot of creativity with inspiring a greater membership participation. The current VP surprised and shocked me when he and his mates voted me out as VP last year.l at the time was just developing confidence with my role on the committee and had plans to instigate many changes to invigorate the club. I and other committee members were shocked when I was ousted by less than 15 members of the voting group who attended the AGM meeting. At the time I wasn’t happy and accepted the democratic vote that was made and since until now have laid low to see how the club would go and if things would change.
If I get enough support from members I would be interested in taking over the Presidency from Jono.
As members take a interest in your club and nominate and vote in people you feel will take the club forward and invigorate the membership.

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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby JeffD » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:38 pm

Bill
I disagree with your comment that camaraderie has reduced in the BMWMCCWA.
I originally joined the club because I owned a BMW bike but now I own a BMW bike mainly so as to belong to the club. It's a great club and I enjoy interaction with the members of it, including yourself.
Being a committee member requires a solid commitment and we should be grateful to our current and past committee members for their efforts in keeping the club going.
If we have a democratic vote on committee members each year, and the members in attendance at the AGM vote officers in or out, then surely we as members should respect the decision of the meeting.
I suggest most club members are in the club for the fun of it and really don't want too much stress. It's not a political party.
I may or may not attend the AGM this year but whether I'm there or not, whatever the meeting decides is OK.
Thanks again to the people currently on the committee, your commitment to doing jobs that 'someone has to do' to keep the club running is greatly appreciated. It's a great club, let's not talk it down.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby jono » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Bill I also disagree with your comment “camaraderie seems to have disappeared for the majority of members of the BMWMCCWA". How do you arrive at this conclusion bearing in mind the membership is almost 190 have you spoken personally to 95+ members? By your own account you have not come to any club event since the last election, so how do you gauge this change in camaraderie? I have attended most Sunday's and many rides and events and camaraderie is alive and thriving.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:46 am

Jono with respect I disagree with what you say that the camaraderie within the club is alive and thriving. Yes it certainly appears to be within the club regulars that attend events and meetup on Sundays and I myself enjoyed these events ,members company and the camaraderie. But what I am saying is the charter of this club “ to bring like minded BMW bike owners and others that are interested in the marque, together to enhance their BMW experience “ is not being followed up by a greater proportion of members. What I have been saying is that there is a very high number (“ by your stats 70%”) of non contributing, signed up club BMW bike owner members in this club and many more that aren’t club members that we should be reaching out to.
For a club to be strong the leadership should be striving to reach out to all members that have joined the club and own BMW bikes to help them enhance their BMW BIKE experience and want to participate and contribute to the club. I feel as a club we have to put more effort into achieving this. I am not being political or sniping from the side, as some are suggesting, I am being upfront with how I feel about the club going forward and would like the opportunity to try and instigate change to get more BMW bike owners involved. I have been a member for about 12 years and served on the club’s committee for 5 years respecting and supporting yourself as President and your agendas over this time. It was certainly a learning curve understanding and observing the committee system. I felt I had contributed to the club during this time by initiating and contributing to a lot of activities and events and trying to be a enthusiastic team player while on committee. I was disappointed that I was tiffed out of the committee last year as at the time I was starting to feel comfortable with taking on a leadership roll to replace yourself as you were indicating you wished to stand down. I have laid low over the last year so as not to be accused of sniping from the sidelines and being bitter or interfering with the new committee. I wanted to understand how looking from the outer, the club appeared. My current postings on our forum relating to the direction the club is going indicate my thoughts which I have put down and been upfront about not to cause divisions and conflicts as some are suggesting, but to get all members that have signed up for this club to become more involved in participating and contributing to make it a more diverse and stronger club.
Surely it does mean in order to get across what I believe needs to be done and where I am coming from prior to an election, people should have some communication from me, which is a bit verbose at times I must admit, but I feel is necessary to get my message across.
I am presenting myself for club President to try and initiate change which involves encouraging more of our non participating members to feel they can become more aligned and want to participate and feel comfortable within the clubs charter.
I look forward for the opportunity by members support at the AGM to achieve this over the next year as club President.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby bowewilson@gmail.com » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:50 am

Bill,
I don't agree with your comments, I am generally not a participant in club rides as it is not my thing, but occasionally attend some events such as tonight's Greenhills dinner, this is because I have other interests including participation with other bike clubs.
I think from where I am standing, the committee are doing a great job, including when you were there, if there are activities that you think are worthwhile doing, then have a chat to them, I am sure it will be taken on board, its part of their job, I have not seen you in quite a while so have not heard any of these ideas.
At the end of the day the committee make decisions, there will always be decisions made that we don't agree with, so we have to suck it up and move on, or alternatively if you want to influence the direction of the club have a crack at the elections like you are doing, but lets hear specifically what your thinking is, as I said so far I have heard nothing.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:22 am

Bowe thank you for your comments. The following points probably cover where I stand on leading the club with the new committee for next year:
1...Resurrect ALL members interest in BMMCCWA. If elected I will meet with the new committee and devise a survey which will be sent to each individual member. With discussion within the committee we will devise a questionnaire designed to understand why 70% of members don’t involve themselves with the club. We will ask members to indicate what they would like to see the club get involved in. We would ask them what imput the club needs to instigate to get their interest up. For younger members with families what would we need to do to make it easier for younger members with young family’s to benefit and be more involved in club activities to enhance their BMW bike ownership.
2...Be more flexible with club activity to encourage more involvement for time poor members by forming sub groups within the club so that they may become involved with other club members in similar situations and use the clubs resources as our club charter dictates. “Enhance the enjoyment and skills of owning a BMW motorbike.”
These sub groups would liaise with the club committee with their agendas being translucent and informed for committee approval. A member has proposed to have a off road member on the committee which I think is a good idea.
3...Resurrect new members being contacted by club members for an introduction of the club and its charter and making them feel welcome
4...I will try and develop more enthusiasm with the committee team which flows onto members.I intend making the club’s committee business more translucent with greater communication with members and at least committee minutes being available to members via more direct communications.A lot of members can’t get to the bi-monthly meetings. Club business should at least be outlined on the members only link on the clubs private forum for members to examine. If not attending formal monthly meetings members are left in the dark with club business.
5.. Greater use of social media to keep members informed. Blanket e-mail mailings for important announcements more often.
6.. Develop greater ties with the BMW CLUBS INTERNATIONAL. Having attended a number of meetings with BMW clubs Australia I see a potential to get benefits for the club by being more pro -active with engaging with other State recognised BMW club’s and the BMW clubs International. There was talk at the meetings I attended of their desire to get more info on our events and club activities with our members. As a club I would encourage greater affiliation with communication with these BMW affiliates. They were suggesting supporting club events that promote the marque and it all depends on the numbers, with the number of club members being involved from the club. I feel this would be important for greater interest from members to participate in numerous activities that our charter dictates.
7.. Be more proactive with timings and information. For instance why would the club hold a AGM on a Monday night when people have been working all day prior to the meeting. Also some people aren’t available during the working week. Members wishing to get together for rides or other events with different timings and days could pre-organise times to arrange rides with more use of our social media network platforms. We will keep the bi-monthly club formal meetings in a similar format for face to face club business discussions.
8.. I intend to run a committee which acts as a team with the committee members being tasked to carry out their specific roles which will be discussed at the initial committee meeting so everyone knows what is expected from them. I don’t intend to micro manage and will be relying on these members to be enthusiastic and dedicated to move the club forward. We will be having more regular discussion on club business during the committee meetings which we will convey to members for their approvals with greater frequency via internet communication, using our web page or social media.
9..As a fairly high profile club I feel we should form a higher profile with the local community. As the RFDS has helped many members when they have had mishaps while riding in the outback and it’s work generally, this organisation and others such as Prostrate cancer research which is relevant for members and others which I pushed the club to support in the past. I will work with the committee to organise fund raising events to support these community funded organisations. I would like the club to become involved with issues such as the talk about reducing speed limits and traffic and road issues that members are affected by.
10..Having been deposed as the VP last year I have deliberately taken a break from the club and kept on the sidelines to allow the current committee to show some change in inspiring more members to be more involved. To my mind this hasn’t happened as indicated in poor showings at events organised by the current committee and this is why I am putting myself up with much enthusiasm to carry out the role as President as I feel the committee running the club needs to encourage and inspire all 190 members to get their involvement not just a few.
11..Voting at the AGM UNLIKE LAST YEAR should be via a secret ballot with members placing their selection on a ballot paper. I would suggest rather than a week night a weekend afternoon starting at 3pm would be more suitable as these AGM’s tend to go on for a bit, especially when a number of members contest the positions. At the conclusion of the AGM the club should provide a drink and a bite for those that turn up.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby davebeemer1 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:46 pm

Bill, it's pretty simple really, if you don't like it leave the club. Your obviously not happy so I strongly suggest you find something that suits your needs.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby old betsy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:23 pm

I don't think any of Bill's post have said he doesn't like the club.
What Bill has said is that he believes the club needs a change of direction.

Realistically, I think Bill is right.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:20 am

davebeemer1 wrote:Bill, it's pretty simple really, if you don't like it leave the club. Your obviously not happy so I strongly suggest you find something that suits your needs.

Dave your comment is just plain silly. If you have bothered to understand what I have been trying to get across.I am trying to instigate a change in direction of our club to stimulate a greater participation from the other 70% of signed up members and have been pointing out that at the moment currently there is a regular core of generally older members that basically is the club with the other 70% being no shows. I am saying we can at least try to get these members involved. The strength and camaraderie of a club is based on maximum member participation and members wanting to be participants in their club.
I have put my name up for club President to enthusiastically try and lead the new committee to achieve some change to develop this.
It is up to the AGM to decide if they wish to support me or just leave things as they are. Your comments are unhelpful.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby GSDisciple » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:00 am

Having been a member for just under ten years I believe that our club has an incredibly strong philosophy and set of unspoken values which are enduring. This philosophy and set of values likely existed for many years before I joined the club and will continue for many more I am sure.

Our club philosophy is then brought to life in a formal manner by committee members as well as informally by each and every member in their own way. Both the formal and informal contributions are quite different though equally valuable and most importantly, complementary to each other.

Like any organisation there is room for improvement and a good example of this is can be seen through the gradual adoption of Facebook to complement The Forum. Refinements and tweaks will take place as good ideas gain energy and enthusiasm

In essence, I don't sense sufficient energy across the club for a change in direction. Our club is incredibly unique and robust and I feel fortunate to be part of it.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:29 am

GSDisciple wrote:
In essence, I don't sense sufficient energy across the club for a change in direction. Our club is incredibly unique and robust and I feel fortunate to be part of it.

John it’s not a major change in direction I am proposing. I am trying to get more of our members involved and wanting to be involved in the club. I feel a more diverse club with a greater number of the 70% no shows being involved would increase the depth and use of the club for all members and allow more members to experience what our charter is all about.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby Swampy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Bill and to :cry: all those still bothering to read this diatribe and managing to stay awake

It seems to me that this discussion is going around and around but hopefully will soon disappear out it's exhaust with the rest of the hot waste gas being spruiked here on this forum over the last week or so :shock:

Bill, Please get off this forum and give us all a break as you have really been re hashing the same theme over and over again ad finitum and I think most members are getting weary of you beating the same old drum!!

We get the picture okay, Your pissed about being tiffed and want to be President!!

Now I suggest that we let the Members have their collective democratic vote at the AGM on the 8th July and may the best man win!!

What you have actually succeeded in doing Bill is to ensure that I for one will be there to place my vote for the best person for the job and I hope you won't be too disappointed in the result :roll:

Meanwhile please give it a rest!!

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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby jono » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:50 pm

Bill many of the objectives you talk about are consistent with things that I and the committee would like to see happen. There have been several attempts to engage younger members and family members but with limited success. In my view we would need younger members in a marketing and organising/ride leading role in order to attract and retain other younger members. The most likely path to getting there seemed to be through family membership and members sons and daughters getting involved. But as many have already stated that age group are busy and time poor, they have careers and young families of there own and little interest in the structure of a traditional club. It’s more like contact your mates and go for a couple of hours ride somewhere. The involvement of partners is always welcome but not everyone has a partner interested in sitting on the back of a bike and going for a ride, and honestly I think some prefer to keep their hobbies seperate. So my view is that the club appeals to and fits well with the 40+ demographic and I think we offer a great environment free from politics and rigid structure, where people can come and go as their time permits, get help and assistance when needed, join in a lot or a little or even just for discounts on insurance and concessional licensing.
I do agree that we could do more of everything, communication, rides, events, tuning days and that this might make the club more appealing to some. But doing this takes input and time from members and committee and everyone has limits on how much they can do. I would really welcome your return to active membership, regardless of whether or not you get a seat on the committee. I think those members who give and continue to contribute to the club regardless of role or recognition are representing the core values and nature of our club that so many people find appealing.
I hope we can all call time out on this subject now here in the forum and keep the discussion for the agm where it can be debated and resolved by the members.
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby BillB » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:18 pm

John thanks for your comments.They are all quite reasonable. I am just trying to get across what I propose to do if I get to stand as President. It does mean some communicating pre AGM and what I have published gives members something for them to consider before they get to vote to either support me or not. If some don’t have the intelligence or capacity to understand then that’s their problem
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Re: The direction of the BMWMCCWA

Postby Bozo » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:48 pm

Bill

You seem to be representing that you have been unfairly dealt with by the club.

Firstly you were not deposed as Vice President as this implies sudden and forceful removal from a position. All positions are declared vacant at an AGM so you absolutely can not be deposed. You were an unsuccessful candidate for a vacant position. You had no entitlement to continue as Vice President unless elected to do so.

Again you were not voted out of the position, the position was vacant.

There was no conspiracy, another candidate was simply elected with out any malice on his part or any of the members. It surprised members that you were so impacted by the election result.

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